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Oh. My. God. What do you get the girl who has everything? Apparently, a trip to the Laser Vagina Rejuvenation Institute. This exists in LA (it would have to be LA, wouldn't it?). They are the vagina experts, the vagina specialists, the denizens of ‘down there’. They can tighten your vagina a little or a lot. They can give you any shape of vagina you would like. I imagine if you wanted a vagina that looked like Rodin’s Thinker, they could probably accommodate you.
"27 year-old Rose is dissatisfied with her vagina..."
There is a documentary on TV. Part of their series on Extreme Cosmetic Surgery. This week: Designer Vaginas. I am watching this program in the time-honoured scientific tradition of questing for truth, knowledge, and vaginas on prime time network television.
In fairness, most of the girls so far on the television program are talking about tightening their vaginas after childbirth, when they find that the experience of pushing a squalling bowling ball through a four-inch opening leaves them somewhat stretched; diminishing friction and their enjoyment of sex.
But let me say, for the record, that Rose, is freakin' hot. Not just for a recent mother -- for anyone. She has nothing to complain about. And yet she is getting vagina prettying up as well as tightening.
Why is she worried about her vagina's appearance? Why would anyone be worried about what her vagina looks like? You have to blame the media, I suppose. It is such an established argument, it hardly even needs to be made. Be skinny, have a hard tummy, perky breasts, perfect hair and nose, a flat vagina, and so on.
Happily, I have been spared the need to care what I look like by virtue of my penis. I have next to no idea how my little man compares to anyone else's. All that we really even know about penises are what we discover in published national averages and porn, and when you are watching porn, generations of finely trained instinct kick in and edit out the males entirely.
"Unlike breasts or noses or thighs, you don't often compare your labia with your friends'..."
Women compare their breasts? What a different world women live in. I have never walked over to Steve or Art and said, “hey guys, what do you think of my ass? Is it as tight and well-rounded, as say, Mark’s?”
Do you notice that elective surgery for girls tends to be more about appearance, and for guys tends to be more about functionality?
What do we get? We get gadgets like penile implants. “Hey honey, come watch me pump up my penis again!” Or viagra for more/harder/longer erections. Or penile enlargement, because we just bought a big new truck or something.
Girl changes do not DO anything. Breast enhancements that had flashing lights in them or something, that would be cool. Or a built-in radio. Or liposuction that left a pocket for you to stash change or keys in, that would appeal to guys.
But you go in and get your surgery done and that is it? A change in aspect but not function? Where is the fun in that? It would hardly be worth the money.
Labiaplasty! It has a name! This is a great word. Everyone should incorporate it at least once a day into their vocabulary. Get up in the morning, and go, “wow! Look at that vulva! I sure don't need any labiaplasty, baby!” Or, “so I was talking with Eric about the 4th quarter financials and I don’t need to tell you, he is labiaplastied all over them, John.”
If A~ was watching this show, she would never even want to talk about having children ever again. She is averse to begin with. This could do nothing but seal her opinion. Your bladder can fall after having children? Urine leakage? Sex can feel like nothing afterwards? (“Waving a pencil in a cave” were the woman’s exact and rather blunt words.)
Vaginal relaxation is the term they are using for the pencil in a cave problem. In the abstract, vaginal relaxation sounds like a good thing. You do not want to go to bed with a girl all tense and unhappy. Relaxed seems like it should be much better. But then they showed one poor woman who was knocked out and all prepped for surgery and the surgeon was pulling around her vagina to show the looseness... and I will never look at ‘relaxation’ in the same way again.
Apparently, women are going into the clinic with pictures from porn of airbrushed girls who have vaginas like they want theirs to look like! The same as going to your hair stylist with a picture of a starlet and wanting your hair to look like hers. The problem with this is that no one really knows what the original picture looked like before it got Photoshopped. Maybe no one on Earth actually has a living vagina that looks like a porn centrefold’s.
The feminism argument was pretty weakly made in the program. In a strange sort of way, I think it is harder for feminists to object to labiaplasty than it is to other cosmetic surgeries. Breast enhancements, for example, are very public, so it is easy to pull in arguments about the media and self-esteem and so forth.
But trimming your labia minora? Who would even notice that until the very last second, by which you expect they are already fully attracted to you? Not many guys are going to take a girl to bed only on the condition that they like the aesthetics of her vagina. So it really is a pretty strictly personal-comfort sort of change. And who can argue against a woman’s right to trim her body to suit her comfort?
Did I miss a news bulletin? When did the labia minora fall out of fashion? What is this malarkey about not wanting your labia minora to extend past your labia majora? If you ask me, a little peeking is a beautiful thing. It is all sweet and vulnerable.
Oh my god! They just showed the fallen bladder on a woman going under the knife. That is terrible! I get happier and happier to be a guy!
"I felt that my body should be accommodating of any penis size, whether it be long or short or skinny, and still give me the friction for my pleasure..."
There is a big emphasis on wanting to feel like a virgin again. And they are willing to accommodate that! Oh my god -- they can also replace your hymen!!!! I have no idea who would want that, but it is out there. What an odd sort of 10th wedding-anniversary gift that would be to give your husband.
Is voluntary vagina surgery the pop-culture first-world import of FGM or what? You polish it up a little bit, take out most of the horrors of it being inflicted on 11 year-old girls (the age range at the Laser Vagina Rejuvenation Institute? 16-73, but mostly 20-40. 73? One wonders what grandma got done) and distance it from being a male requirement to participate in society, and there you go, the Next Big Thing.
Of course, everything is late arriving in London. We do not get movies till every last person in the USA has had a chance to see them (we are all excited over here about a movie called “Ghostbusters”, which is coming out next month and apparently did very well in the US. But will it do as well as “E.T.” did in 2000?). Maybe by now this is age-old news in the US, and every 7-11 offers labiaplasty by the Slurpee machines.
I could go for a Slurpee right now. I wish there were 7-11s in the UK.
What web sight can I go to see pictures after surgery?
Posted by: Alexi Santos on January 17, 2003 11:30 AMIt's like a visit from the God of Straight Man
Set-Up Lines! You can go to almost any Web site that features pornographic
pictures of naked ladies to see representative samples of what the work will
look like after surgery.
I also like a little "peaking". It is
beutiful. The women (and men?) of the Venda and Benin tribes (S. and W. Africa)
think so too.
I would like you to insert pictures of the operations
before and after the operation
One of the reasons why women
such as myself are looking in to labiaplasty is the great discomfort large labia
can cause during sex as well as during activities such as biking and horseback
riding. Also, they can be seen under bathing suits drawing unwanted attention.
Labiaplasty also can enhance the sex life of the patient by removal of excess
skin on the hood of the clitoris which can cause great difficulty in reaching
climax during intercourse. The comments I have recieved from past boyfriends as
well as comments that I have overheard added to the discomforts I experience
make it a procedure that does not inflict on my feminist sensibilities.
For those of us who are
looking into labiaplasty I would just like to mention that there are reasons
beyond mere cosmetic obsession that we want to go under the knife. Excersize and
sex can be painful or unconfortable, and sex can be unenjoyable because of the
excess skin covering the clitoris. Not to mention the fact that unwanted
attention is drawn to our labia as they can be seen through bathing suits. This
is not something I want to do merely because I want to be attractive to men,
though they have said some nasty comments in the past.
When a person chooses cosmetic surgery, they choose it for themselves. I have had 3 beatiful children, lost my boobs, and had recently had them (re)filled... ;) I am a fairly young mother, and saw absolutely no need to have to live the rest of my life with deflated sagging breasts.... Now... I didn't HAVE to have it done, but I sure am glad I did!!!
Let's talk about labiaplasty... It may seem odd to someone that has no problems at all, are happy with thier vaginas, or are a man... BUT... not all of us are happy, and I agree with Adrienne that there is a level of discomfort associated with enlarged labias. Mine extend out past my labia major, and I hate it! I am a very happily married woman, and my husband loves me the way I am no matter what! I want this fixed for ME!! For my comfort, physically, sexually, and emotionally. No one can judge another unless they've walked in thier shoes... and that will NEVER happen.
Posted by: Heather on May 13, 2003 09:26 AMWhere can i go to see girls that are under 11.I want to see there vaginas
Posted by: Stephen on May 15, 2003 12:58 PMPeople who do get labiaplaty get it for other reasons then to attract men..or to have the "perfect vagina". I got labiaplasty because it was uncomfortable to wear tight clothes, and u can see it in your bathing suit. it can also be uncomfortable to exercise etc etc etc! anyways, for woman out there WANTING to get labiaplasty, i dont recomend it...i have had it done, and sure the results were good, but OMG the recovery hurts like no bodies buisness!!! i supose it is worth it...but i also suggest that some woman who do get it just for appearence think it over first, because it hurts like a bitch! you should be happy with what u have...and i know i sound hipocritical, but seriously, unless u get it because of pain and discomfort durring exercizing and wearing tight clothes...it just isn't worth it. trust me. i know.
Posted by: on May 22, 2003 11:10 AMi had a labiaplasty surgery done and i love it! i am so happy i got it done. it did hurt, but now i have so much more self confidence. plus the sex is better too! if it bothers you as much as it did me, go for it and have the surgery. i am a 22 year old college student in southern claifornia. i went and saw dr. gary alter in beverly hills. check out his site, there are before and after pics for those who are interested.
www.dralter.com
Posted by: virginia on June 23, 2003 02:13 PMI have fairly large labia I suppose. the stick out past my labia majora probebly about a little over a CM. it really only bothers me to see them when they hang when my legs are spread and Im upright. I went through a while where I was so self consious cause something caused them to get swollen every once in a while and they were a little uncomfortable. I got so upset I thought of labiaplasty. I think if I got it it would be for cosmetics and I dont want to do that plus I cant afford it! those of you that posted that you had the surgery done how big were yours? how much did they stick out? Do guys really care about what those things look like? besides being big mine are very semetrical and smooth so Im happy about that.
Posted by: Kristine on August 28, 2003 10:51 AMWhere are these wenches of whom you speak? I will undo all of their hard work.
Posted by: Caliban on September 4, 2003 05:49 AMI want to go to Dr. Alter!!! How much did he charge?
Posted by: cat on September 18, 2003 11:33 PMi just wanna thank scott mcj for writing this article. his comments about how a guys not gonna care what it looks like, and that being worried about your labia minora extending past your labia majora is a bunch of 'malarkey' made me feel so much better about myself. thank you again.
Posted by: on September 25, 2003 11:16 AMI agree with the women totally. I have been self-conscious about my labia for years. I thought it was stupid. When I started looking it was very hard for me to find a surgeon who would do such a operation. Now I see them everywhere. For me it is the issue of wearing a bathing suit, I have had someone notice. Also wearing snug fitting clothing. I live in sweats and pj pants at home. It hurts and is very uncomfortable. I also am worried that if my current relationship does not work I would never date because of it. What if it got to that point? I could never sleep with another man. For me the financing is a problem right now. I dream of the day I can afford it. As dumb as it sounds it would change my life.
Posted by: Marie on September 25, 2003 05:53 PMI have very large labia minora- they extend 1/2 -3/4 inch from the labia majora- and I have had nothing but compliments from all the men I've had sex with. They all think that they look sexy. One guy even climaxed just looking at them. Forget labiaplasty!!!!!
Posted by: nina on October 8, 2003 10:36 AMi love enlarged labias, i love tight pussy, and my girls got both. I have had girlfriends with all types and who cares, 'cause I'll suck and fuck it all. Remember, ladies and gentlemen; it's not all vanity, there is an ass for every seat. give it time and someone will appreciate you for you and your goofy looking body parts.
Posted by: hiram on October 30, 2003 09:08 PMI'm only 19 and have been incredibly uncomfortable with my labia since age 11 or 12. I have been doing a little research about it here and there and wanted to get some feedback from those who have actually had the procedure. How long is the recovery period really? And are there any risks of "losing" sensation in the clitoris or anything along those lines?
Posted by: julie on November 6, 2003 01:48 AMhey julie, i'm 19 too and i recently discovered this "labiaplasty" and i'm VERY insecure about myself in that region as well. i had to do research on it for a class and as far as losing sensation, there is a risk of some loss of sensation but i have not read about a woman losing total sensation. However, if the majority of nerves are located in the labia (not ALL women are centered on the clitoris) then cutting them off would have dire consequences.
Posted by: alyssa on November 10, 2003 08:37 PMLabias are labias, I used to have the same problem, with mine but it's all about your self confidence.Now I'm like F*CK it I'm happy with it, my B.F. loves it, you got what you got, if a guy is willing to diss you because your labia doesn't *fit his bill* then why the hell go through the sugery, to attract a22holes, and people who are attracted to you for looks and not who you are! Think about it, your gonna pay all this money to get a stupid surgery and when it's your time to pass away, WHAT?, you gonna take it with you? I understand if it's a health risk and it's causing irritation, but because your unhappy with the way it looks?!!!!Come on!!
To give some girls some comfort about their labias and sex appeal, Jenna Jameson(for those who don't know her she's the #1 porn star babe)her labia minora is bigger than her labia majora, and you know what? She is highly favored by lots and I mean lots of guys. Go to Club Jenna, or to Yahoo's search engine and look for Jenna's pics and you'll see what I mean. She's doing fine, and doesn't seem to be annoyed with her Labia.
I'm 22 years old and I've had sex only once.I've been looking at labioplasty since I saw the documentary about desiger vaginas.I've always been uncomfortable with my enlarged labias but I had no idea there were so many women with the same problem and that I could do something about it.But I'm a student and there's no way I could afford it.Some of your comments have made me feel better about it though. I've been dating this guy for quite a while and I have been putting off us having sex because of this.Your comments have made me think and the hell with it, I'll just go for it.I do think one shouldn't rush into labiaplasty just because of the way their labias look and if your guy doesn't like it,he's sooo not worth it.So us girls with big labias,let's be happy and from these comments,guys do seem to like them.
Posted by: lili on December 11, 2003 08:31 AMLadies! I'm so happy you all have posted. For those of you who have labia problems like me, please take 5 minutes to research "DES exposure" DES was a drug given to women from 1930s-1950's who had miscarriage problems, however it was taken off the market after research proved that IT CAUSED MAJOR SIDE EFFECTS IN THE CHILDREN OF THE MOTHERS WHO TOOK THE DRUG. (Abnormal pap smears, cervical cancer, VAGINAL ABNORMALITIES etc). I am a DES granddaughter. I'm 18 years old and I've never gotten naked in front of a guy because of my insecurities with my abnormally large labia. *Don't bash me for this, when I say large..I mean it!* I've researched labiaplasty since I was 15, and I just recently brought up the surgery to my mother. OK, so my reason for telling you all this is to let you see another view of labiaplasty. ((I tend to go off-subject a lot)). For me, this surgery is something I need. I can't ride a bike, wear tight clothing, go swimming in a bathing suit, sometimes I can't even wear underwear. I've left my e-mail up for those of you who would like to ask me questions, find out more about my situation, or just sympathize with me! Not all women have to live like this. I want to thank the creator or this post. Although you obviously don't understand what some of us potential patients go through, you opened a window of opportunity for us embarrassed women to tell our stories. So thanks again.
Posted by: Janna on December 26, 2003 11:26 AMHey,...I hate all the comments guys make like "why labiaplasty? We don't care about what it looks like". Listen boys, it's not all about you. It's fine and dandy that you don't care about what it looks like, but that's not why most women have the surgery. I've been wanting this surgery on mine every since I reached puberty. It hurts during sex, it hurts when I wear tight clothes and it's uncomfortable during oral sex. And yeah, it's imbarassing when you can notice it when wearing a bathing suit. So, guys, we're not doing it for you, we're doing it for us. And if anyone has ANY information on where I can find a doctor in Canada, please let me know. Thanks!!
Posted by: Brigitte on January 3, 2004 01:27 PMHey,...I hate all the comments guys make like "why labiaplasty? We don't care about what it looks like". Listen boys, it's not all about you. It's fine and dandy that you don't care about what it looks like, but that's not why most women have the surgery. I've been wanting this surgery on mine every since I reached puberty. It hurts during sex, it hurts when I wear tight clothes and it's uncomfortable during oral sex. And yeah, it's imbarassing when you can notice it when wearing a bathing suit. So, guys, we're not doing it for you, we're doing it for us. And if anyone has ANY information on where I can find a doctor in Canada, please let me know. Thanks!!
Posted by: Brigitte on January 3, 2004 01:27 PMBrigitte,
There are a couple of doctors in Canada I've found, as I'm saving up for the procudure myself. You can try Dr. Stubbs in Toronto, http://www.psurg.com/DR.htm or check out the False Creek Surgical Centre in Vancouver: http://www.nationalsurgery.com/FCSC/index.php, which is where I plan to go. Theres also the Allen Centre for Women in Calgary: http://www.allancentreforwomen.com/
I've also been bothered by this since just before puberty, so I would definitely be doing it for myself before impressing anyone else. Hope those links help.
Eee.....
Have you girls SERIOUSLY gotten mean comments from boyfriends about this? What do they say?
... Geez. I mean, it's embarassing enough to have to look at it yourself, but to hear someone else who doesn't know what it even feels like to feel so bad about it BASH you about it is really not cool.
Posted by: Saren on January 5, 2004 06:32 PMI'm 19 years old. I have VERY VERY VERY large labia minor (actually, I've looked at A LOT of labia in my life to compare, and mine has been the biggest I've seen yet). They're probably about 2 inches in length. Anyways, I've been tremendosly embarassed by them since I was about 11 or 12 years old. I will be having labiaplasty done in less than a month. This will be by far, the HAPPIEST day of my life. While the authors comments make me feel a little better about my "deformed vagina", it's still not going to change my mind. I mean, most people who don't have this problem probably think I'm crazy, but they can wear bathing suits, tight clothes, underwear, ride bikes...oh ya, and not to mention, I've only ever had oral sex preformed on me ONCE, and I know that the size of my labia definitly has something to do with it. I refuse to watch porn, because I don't want to look at the women and think 'gee, why doesn't my vagina look like that'. I've cried myself to sleep countless nights because of it...And I'm so glad I came across this site, because I felt I was one of the very few women who had this problem.
Posted by: Amanda on January 6, 2004 07:53 PMOh yes, and not to mention the number of guys who have said 'eww' or 'you have huge lips'....kinda makes you feel bad
Posted by: Amanda on January 6, 2004 07:54 PMIf you mind my asking, Amanda, how much does the procuedure cost? I called a place about it (getting a consultation) a couple of days ago, but I never got through and they never called back. I'm so glad we live in an age where this operation can be done discreetly and with minimal scarring (or done at ALL), else I think I would've much rathered become a nun. I've never had sex because I refuse to let anyone see me. I'd be like, "Stop. You can't" and that would be it, because I'm afraid of the reaction.
Posted by: Saren on January 7, 2004 12:24 PMI am about to find a surgeon to get labiaplasty done. i am 26 and have always been very unhappy with the appearance of my labia minora. It has made me very uncomfortable in intimate situations. My sex life is very important to me and I see no reason not to have it done. I simply don't find it attractive and there is no asmount of self esteem work or anything other than labiaplasty that is going to make me ok with it. Even if I am celibate, I am still not comfortable with how I look. I have wanted this for yeasrs and am not putting it off anymore. I amgetting it ASAP.
Posted by: girl on January 18, 2004 03:34 PMhello, i have always wanted to get labiaplasty done on my self even before i knew there was such a thing. it has always been really uncomfertable for me and i feel embarressed by it. i have a wonderful boyfriend who doesn't care. but i cant get over it. when i look at my vagina i cant help but think its gross and that my skin is all stretched out and disgusting. if i think it looks so bad i cant belive someone thinks it looks alright. im 20 years old and i have the money to get the surgery done but im to embarressed. but i think its truely the only thing that would make me happy. i think that my whole life would change my self esteem and overall well being. i just hope soon that i will get the courage and i will finally feel good about my self in every way not to mention sexually. especially since i will have more confidence and i could see myself expressing my self better and my sex life will improve.
Posted by: elizabeth on January 23, 2004 03:11 AMFor anyone who was interested, I got a price quote at the Vancouver facility I listed above. Consultations with a doctor cost $325 plus GST and the procedure costs $3500 plus GST (comes to $3745). Gonna go for it.
Posted by: Saren on January 23, 2004 09:54 AMI have also wanted labiaplasty since i was very young, I am now 21 and am thinking about finally going through with it. Does anyone know where i could get the surgery done in Dallas, Texas?
Posted by: Anne on February 2, 2004 08:44 PMim only 14 and have large labia minoras im really embarressed by them and believe i would be saving my self from many embarrassing times in the future ive been made fun off in the dressing room and just recently found out what is wrong with me i used to think i was like seriosly deformed but i know other poeple have this problem. i want this done so bad i cant remember when the last time i could get out of the shower and walk around with out discomfort, i just recently told my mom and now i think this summer i might find a docter to perform this procedure
Posted by: katie on February 8, 2004 12:58 PMI am 27 years old, I alredy have had a child and been divorced. I cant imagine living out the rest of my life with the way my vagina looks. the clothes that i wont wear bikins that i cant, the term "fat pussy" just kills me. Ijust met someone new, but i am just too ashamed of the way that i look.I never thought that peopl would understand the this feeling I am currently looking for a doctor in the silicon valley area before this does any more damage to my self esteem
Posted by: sunny on February 8, 2004 11:07 PMI just had labiaplasty done one week ago today. I'm BEYOND thrilled with the results (even though the swelling is HORRID and the pain is just hell!). Even though I cannot see what the final product looks like, I already feel so happy. Those 2 hanging beasts are finally gone! First thing I did when I got home was took off my pants and stood in front of the mirror, and I cried because nothing was hanging down, tears of joy of course! I'm only 20 years old, but I knew this had to be done SOON. In all honesty, if it wern't for the way the media portrays what a vagina should look like, I don't think there would be so many women concerend with their labia.
I remember when I was about 14, I thought I was deformed because it didn't look like the ones in the magazines (which are airbrushed mind you!). Now, because the media is just sick and prays on women, and tells them 'this is how you have to look otherwise you're a freak', I have resorted to this horrible pain, but in the end it's worth it!
By the way.....I noticed a lot of prices some people were throwing around to have this surgery done, and lemme tell you, take your time, ask around, because ANYTHING more than a grand is RIDICULOUS. I had my labiaplasty done for $830.00 including everything.
Posted by: Jenny on February 10, 2004 10:51 AMWow, where did you go? Where I live, there's only one place to have it done without flying out, so I think it would probably come to about the same after travel expenses, if I did.
Posted by: Saren on February 10, 2004 03:43 PMI live in Canada, and had it done here in kitchener, ontario
Posted by: on February 11, 2004 10:56 AMWould you mind giving me some contact information of your doctor?
Posted by: on February 11, 2004 04:24 PMI have been looking at doing this procedure for about a year. Everytime I get closer to doing it I find the problem of finding a surgeon I can't find one. I am fron Honolulu, HI. Can anyone recommend a surgeon from hawaii to me?
Thanks
To the person who wanted contact info of my doc, I included my email addy, so I think all you have to do if click on my name, email me and I'll email ya back :) Make sure to make Labiaplasty as the subject line, cause I tend not to open mail from names I don't recognize
Posted by: jenny on February 16, 2004 09:24 PMJenny! I click your name becuase my computer doesnt have that email device set up. If you or anyone could do me a huge favor and send me the contact information. I live in kitchenener and am serious about the procedure. I thought i had to fly somewhere!!
Please please please!
my email is kt__low@hotmail.com
( sorry, i CANT click your name..)
Posted by: Katelyn on February 25, 2004 05:12 PMCan anyone help me out? I really need the name of the surgeon. thanks..email adress above
Posted by: Katelyn on February 29, 2004 12:55 PMCan anyone help me out? I really need the name of the surgeon. thanks..email adress above
Posted by: Katelyn on February 29, 2004 12:55 PMI would also like to know about your surgeon in the Kitchener area. Are you satisfied with the results?
Posted by: Steff on March 2, 2004 03:18 PMhey..i'm also interested in labiaplasty..i've seriously been thinking about it and would like any info if possible. i also live in Canada and would love to know any information about the kitchener procedure and a cost range if possible.
thanks so much. my email is included if that helps.
Posted by: Erin on March 4, 2004 01:49 PMno response?? to erin: see your family doctor, who will recommend you to a gynocologist.. then youll go from there.
hey everyone.....i too am seriously considering having the surgery......and i must say, it is nice to hear that guys, even if not all, dont care about the appearanceof our labia, however what these same guys dont all understand is that most of us are doing it for ourselves.
anyway, i wanted to ask jenny if she knows of a reputable place in toronto? also, how long after ur initial consultation was it before u were actually able to have the surgery done? thanks
Posted by: Cindy on March 7, 2004 03:21 PMwhere did the girl from Kitchener have it done? You just post something like that and leave no other info...that is strange
Posted by: jenna on March 7, 2004 06:18 PMhey to that girl from kitchener...WHATS YOUR DOCTORS NAME ???
Posted by: cassidy on March 7, 2004 06:21 PMHey Cindy, I can help you, check out Dr. Stubbs in Toronto, he's the most experienced guy around, it seems. http://www.psurg.com/DR.htm
Posted by: Saren on March 9, 2004 07:07 PMthanx Saren....i actually came across that site already.....but i find that it lacks info.....i was hoping i could compare a few places on the net, before contacting any. u dont know of any other site or dr. do u?
Posted by: Cindy on March 20, 2004 11:29 AMThe only doctor I've talked to in person in any sort of depth was Dr. Jackson at the False Creek Surgical Centre in Vancouver. There aren't too many sites about it, but perhaps there are also doctors that perform it that don't have websites. Maybe, consult your gyno and see if s/he can point you in the right direction.
Posted by: Saren on March 21, 2004 12:40 AMjenny - i tried emailing you but i think your over storage because it wouldn't let me. so hopefully you return here. (crosses fingers) :)
and also thanks to the others for help. in the meantime i guess i'll try to get to my doctor and a gynecologist.
thanks again. and also to jenny, i put my email address here...all you have to do is click my name. i was just curious about where you went and your doctor, etc..
erin
Posted by: Erin on March 22, 2004 03:12 PMhello i was wondering what sarens experience with dr jackson was like at falls creek. i have been interested about going there but. this mat sound funny dr jackson has a twin brother who is also a gyno. i dont know him well but i do know him. he used to come in where i worked quite often. Do you know if anyone else at the clinic does the procedure? or if there is anywhere else in the vancouver area? thanks hope someone can help me.
Posted by: Tara on March 25, 2004 01:50 AMI haven't had the procedure done yet, because I'm still a little short cash-wise, but my experience with my consultation with Dr. Jackson went very, very well. He puts you totally at ease and is very professional. He showed me before/after pictures of some procedures and they were very well done. You can always check the clinic's website and see if anyone else does the operation (I think there may be a female doctor in gyn, but I don't remember) if you feel uneasy about Dr. Jackson, and you could ask specifically for a particular doctor if you call for a consultation. I've heard of another doctor, who works in Surrey, called Dr. Ward, but I don't know if he does this particular operation -- I haven't called. But if the only reason you feel uneasy about Dr. Jackson is because of his brother, remember that all patient information is confidential, and even those anonymous pictures he has are there by written consent of the patient, so you shouldn't feel uncomfortable about it. He does this every day, and it probably wouldn't come to mind to tell people about who he operated on that day. He's really nice, at any rate.
Posted by: Saren on March 25, 2004 11:35 PMTo EVERYONE who emailed me. I am sooooooo sorry I havn't replied, my computer has been totally fried, everything is OK now, so I will get back to all of your emails ASAP! I'm sooooooo sorry again!
Posted by: Jenny on March 26, 2004 06:29 PMI live in a Vancouver suburb here in BC Canada, and I can't afford the False Creek fees. Has anyone phoned all the gynecologists in the yellow pages in Vancouver? I'm shy about phoning. If there's a doctor in Kitchener who'll do the procedure for $830.00, there should be a doctor in Vancouver who'll do it for around that price. Vancouver's population is larger than Kitchener's, right? If anyone here is willing to phone Vancouver docs, I'd recommend mentioning that you are a biological female, because apparently the term "labiaplasty" also refers to a procedure used by transexuals concerning sex reassignment surgery. The receptionist on the phone might think you are wanting a sex change, and say, "No, the doctor doesn't do that kind of surgery" when really he or she does! That's just my guess though.
Posted by: Megan on March 26, 2004 11:53 PMI emailed back everyone who emailed me, again sorry for the delay. I also thought I would add, that, I had my labiaplasty done by a gynocologist, not a regular plastic surgeon, and I had to be referred to this doctor by my family doctor. So, I would advise everyone who is serious about getting this done, to go to your family doctor, and get them to referr you to a gynocologist who does this procedure (and there's plenty that do) in your area. It will be much cheaper in cost, because most plastic surgeons want money for themselves, so that's why some of you are getting prices ranging from 3 grand and up. I also wanted to add that, I am almost 100% healed now, and the results are absolutley fabulous.
Posted by: jenny on March 27, 2004 06:21 AMre. jenny having the surgery done by a gynecologist and not a plastic surgeon......makes sense as to how it would be considerably cheaper......thanks for adding that that's the way u went....helpful info.
Would you be able to get referal to a gyn if you go to a walkin clinic, if you have no GP of your own?
Posted by: on March 30, 2004 02:16 AMI feel relieved to see that there are so many women who have the same "appearance" as I do - I had all of these strange ideas of what it could mean. I want to get the surgery done except for the expenses and the consequential pain involved - could someone tell me how long it hurts for - how much it should cost and where the closest doctor is to ottawa?
Posted by: Adriane on April 6, 2004 05:24 PMVancouver girls- keep us posted on prices, results if you get the surgery, and wheter or not you were able to go through a gynecologist as suggested by jenny. Jenny or anyone else, do you think that to go through a gyn, you would have to make a case for physical discomfort rather than just getting it for cosmetic reasons?
Posted by: caitlin on April 8, 2004 10:26 PMJenny- did you lose any sensation at all? Ive heard it is possible to lose sensation in the clitoris...
help me!!! i live in england and i'm finding it hard to find a reasonably priced procedure. if anyone in england has had it done please put a comment on here about where u got it done. thanx
Posted by: linda on April 22, 2004 02:52 PMHey. I am from the Dallas Mentroplex in Texas. Does anyone know a reasonable price for labiaplasty at a location close to me? I would really appreciate any information. Please send it directly to my e-mail. I am almost 18 and I would love to get this surgery done ASAP. Also for those who are older... Does the discomfort increase as you get older? Or does any change occur at all? I would love any e-mails pertaining to this subject. Thanks!
Kendra
I also live in the Dallas area & would LOVE to find somewhere affordable to have this performed. As far as it getting better or worse... I, personally feel that it gets worse. Not only because mine tended to get larger after each of my 2 children, but it literally ruins your life. They soon TAKE OVER & you get to sit and watch. Sexually you are embarassed, physically you are limited, emotionally bothered, and most of all your self esteem slowly deminishes every time you have to see them. Which then in turn makes you unable to exercise, you start to gain some weight & the muscle you once had starts getting more & more dimples. I am now at the stage that I don't even look at myself. My fiance' is great, & has never said anything demeaning, but when you have a bunch of men that get together & topic of conversation SOME HOW comes up, men normally don't think about the fact that the woman standing behind them could very well have the very problem they are so rudely making comments about. I asked my fiance not to say anything to stop them...EVER! I would rather have to hear it & leave if I need to, than have them know that I have the deformation. I don't even want them to "think" I am this way.
I am extremely glad that I have found this site. After only seeing situations better than mine, I was feeling that I was the one of the ALL TIME EXTREME cases. I have even contemplated trying to get on one of the growing number of make-over shows, but that would mean not only would I have to discuss it with a doctor, I would have to discuss it with the world & they would all know what I was secretly hiding down below & I honestly can't imagine being remembered as the chick with huge lips! Knowing that I am still extreme, I now know that there are others out there that are feeling the same as I am, which somehow makes it a little better. All in all I feel that it helps just knowing that we are not alone in this battle... emotionally or physically at that.
As far as continuing the search for a good Doc to perform this DRASTIC (to me it is!) surgery, it is one of my upmost priorities, if I find anything locally or otherwise, I will be sure to post it & if anyone else get's any PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us know.
I have been reading more and more about this since I had my breast augmentation in March. I was always very slender and underdeveloped(I did not even begin mestarting until I was 17 and a half!) and was bothered that my labia minora were not visible UNTIL I had children. Now I feel they are too large. has anyone ever heard of this happening? I have read posts from women saying that were self concious about their labia from an early age? Why after I had children do I know have this problem when before pregnancy and childbirth I looked like a little girl down there? I was not happy before, thinking I was underdeveloped, I guess I thought a WOMAN was supposed to have larger lips but now I guess after seeing porn I am thinking maybe I should not look this way.I have no sexual problems, sex is pleasurable, I have not had any partners complain or make rude comments. I always thought I had a "pretty" one, I did not know guys did not like large lips? Hmmm.I survived breast augmentation, maybe I should consider this procedure as well! I do not want to seem like a pervert or anything but how do I know if mine is too big or not? Are there pictures of what is considered too big?
Posted by: Angel on May 18, 2004 11:34 AMi am very depressed about my labia, i am only 15 and all my friends do stuff wiv there boy frinds, but i cant and i tend not to have boy friends beucz i dont want to get into a situation where he will turn round and tell me where to go!!! I am to embarassed to tell my mum, and to embarassed to tell my GP, i live in england and woundered what the age is that you can have it done and also somewhere in england that has a resonable cost!!!! Please help me, i cry myself to sleep sometimes because of it. x x x
Posted by: kate on June 10, 2004 11:00 AMhi does any one know of where labiaplasty can be done in the uk?
Posted by: k on June 14, 2004 12:09 PMI can't believe. Probably all the Amandas, Sallys and Karens are the same person who posts fake labia problems to induce normal women to do this kind of surgery. Come on girls, wake up!
Posted by: Dani on July 19, 2004 05:48 PMI would like to reply to Dani. I am someone who is planning on getting labiaplasty. I am not one of these fake people you are writing about. I have wanted to get my right labia shortened ever since I was in grade 3. I started puberty in grade 3, and that's when my right labia minora started getting much larger than my left labia minora. (And no, starting puberty at 8 years of age is not abnormal any more; there have been many articles written about girls starting puberty at younger ages nowadays in mainstream magazines. Some say it's better diet, others say that we're fatter, and still others say it's environmental pollution). I remember writing a math test in Grade 12, and being distracted by my labia rubbing against my pants. When I'm writing a math test, I want to feel comfortable so that I can concentrate on the questions. I don't want to have to be thinking about what position I can sit in so that my labia doesn't rub against my underpants so that I can get a good mark on my test. My reasons for getting this surgery are purely for physical comfort. I don't care about aesthetics. I do not wear makeup, jewellry, or nail polish. I do not shave my legs. I do not shave my inner thighs (and believe me, I have a lot of pubic hair on my inner thighs!). I do not have a boyfriend, nor do I intend to get one. No, I'm not a lesbian or bisexual. I am very shy. I'm also a virgin, so no I'm not doing this to please any men in my life, because I'm the only person who ever sees myself naked! I'm actually toying with the idea of becoming a celibate Buddhist nun, because I figure that if I'm 21 years old and guys never flirt with me, I might as well become a nun. There have been times I've had trouble falling asleep, because my labia would be itchy from contact with the material. My left labium stays tucked inside my majora, but the right one hangs a few centimetres below. I've tried sleeping without underpants on, but it will rub against the pillow. So Dani, do you also go to messageboards for women who want breast reductions? I've heard of women who have naturally large breasts getting their boobs liposuctioned in the hopes it will relieve their back pain. I guess you think these women should just live with the risk of getting misaligned vertebrae, poor posture, muscle aches in their back, looking like a hunched over sloucher before they reach menopause... Sure, women who have small frames but D size breasts are rare, but I've seen them. I know of an anorexic woman who has a full C-cup, and her boobs aren't fake! I myself can feel compassion for these women, even though I myself have a B-cup, and thus have never experienced back aches from having to carry extra weight in front of myself. You obviously don't know what it's like to have one labia protruding far below the other. If I was born with one nipple that was four centimetres longer than my other one, so that it would rub against my bra, but not the other one, I would want to get it cut off so that they were the same size. If I was born with an extra long pinky toe on my right foot, but a somewhat long, but much shorter pinky toe on my left foot, I would want to get my right pinky toe shortened. It would suck having to feel my pinky toe ram into the front of my shoe every time I walked in public. It would really improve my quality of life to have this surgery done.
Posted by: Megan on July 26, 2004 10:21 PMHi, I just had labiaplasty yesterday. It definitely hurt and I had to sleep sitting up in a chair per doctor instructions. The worst part of this is I've been advised that I have to where a double girdle to protect the groin area, 2 extra large maxi pads and I can not shower for 10 days. These ugly girdles must be worn for 6-8 weeks along with the two super maxi pads. For those of you who've had the procedure done, was this your recommended post-operative care? Lori
Posted by: on August 3, 2004 03:56 PMI had a consultation done, and no one mentioned anything like that, but I can understand the pad part. I was just told to take the week off work, and not to walk around too much, because bleeding = more tissue damage = more scarring.
How are the results? Once the swelling goes down, can you imagine what it'll look like healed and see yourself happy with the results?
Posted by: Katie on August 5, 2004 10:25 PMI have a surgery scheduled for three weeks- they have never told me anything about not being able to walk of shower- now i'm thinking if i should even go along with it--how bad is the pain? please le me know-- thanx
Posted by: Claude on August 7, 2004 05:35 PMI have always thought extended labia was a sign of having sex with 2,000 guys or being strapped to a table and having a dildo hooked up to a Kitchen Aid mixer pound away for porn videos.
After reading this forum, I am wrong. I would say that many men do think the way I did and will shy away from women who look like they have been in the porn industry, but really haven't. I would never had known this problem was hereditary. My only thought is don't get tattoos or piercings because this will only add to the porn girl image in a nice guy's eyes.
Cosmetic surgery does seem to be an option here.
Breast implants, though, are a definite no no. Personally, I can't stand them; knowing there is a bag of salt water in there plus the scars just turns me off.
Posted by: Curious on August 14, 2004 06:30 PM"What is this malarkey about not wanting your labia minora to extend past your labia majora? If you ask me, a little peeking is a beautiful thing. It is all sweet and vulnerable."
Yes, and it also happens to be a huge pain in the ass (or should I say vulva?). Jesus tap-dancing Christ, this has to be one of the most ignorant things I have read all week.
Listen, I have freakishly overlage labia and a frustrating sex life because of it. Imagine having to continously pause and pull those little flaps out of the way because they get 'trapped' and sting like a son of a bitch. It's not fun. Neither is jogging on a treadmill in anything tighter than sweatpants.
And Dani, you're the one that needs to wake up, my friend. Do you honestly think all those women's posts were written by plastic surgeons? They're doing pretty well for themselves already, I don't think they'd have the need to actively search out obscure websites and then advertise there.
Posted by: Lena on August 16, 2004 12:31 PMI'm scared to even post here. I have one labia larger than the other. I have social anxiety disorder and growing up could not bear the embarrassment of my body, even when normal. I didn't want anyone to notice a pad as a adolesecnt but was scared of a tampon that I use now. I thought I did this damage to myself. It is a relief to hear others have this problem and there is a possible solution. I obviously never had any relationships. I am christian, so sex would wait, but I can't handle my body. I don't have the courage to see a gyn. I really want a family and I am 26. Life seems hopeless. I don't know what kind of advice anyone could have for me, if you do though I'll listen.
Posted by: dana on August 20, 2004 12:19 AMreading all this makes me feel wonderfull. Im glad and surprised that there is a lot of women out there that have the same problem i have,,,,and im sure you've read this a thousand times. I am 18 and i was never really botherd with my labia until this past year. I knew i did not look like most girls, but until fell in love with a wonderfull human being, i became discusted with myself. Hes great and he loves me and has grown comforitable with me, he even knows i was raped not to long ago and has been very careful with his actions. Yet some how i can't work up the courage to expose myself fully to him. i can't tell you enough how uncomforitable it is. Wearing tight clothes and even bathing suits. I don't even want to think about wearing a thong. And yes, riding bikes is extremely unpleasant. After reading the article however, i give thanks to the slurpee man, made me feel a bit better. But its just uncomforitable for me. I don't have a lot of money, and i don't want to travel, getting my wisdome teeth out was weird enough never mind having your legs spread open in front of a person with a knife. But i am very very close to doing it my self, yes its extremely stupid, but i am to the point that i don't care about nurves or pain, i want it to go away, so im gonna do it.
Posted by: on September 5, 2004 11:20 AMYessss! I'm getting a labiaplasty tommorrow! And the best part? It's free! Apparently it's covered in British Columbia Canada. I don't know if Americans can get it free, because I'm not familiar with their health care system. I'm guessing though that women who just don't like the look of their labia can't get it for free. I am so happy, because the only testimonial I've read from a woman who got the surgery for free was because she had infections, and the infections went away after she got a labiaplasty. I don't have a job so it would have taken me a very long time to save up the money, even if it was just $830. You need to have an actual "functional problem", and mine is that it keeps on rubbing against my underwear, chaffing uncomfortably. I would get this surgery even if it made my labia look uglier. My right labia minora is thicker and longer than my left labia minora. In fact, standing in front of the mirror, the right labia completely envelopes the left labia, so that you can't see the left labia at all. I am going to be put under general anesthetic so I'll be asleep. He said that my right labia is quite thick so I'll need sutures, and if I only had local anesthetic, I would be quite uncomfortable and he'd be rushing to finish the suturing, and he wouldn't do as good a job. While asleep, he can take his time, thus creating a better result. Of course comfort is my #1 priority, but of course I'd like an improvement in looks as well, since I'm going to be asleep anyway during the surgery. I hope he will cut off part of my right labia as well, since it too protrudes past the labia majora, even though it doesn't protrude as much as the right one. I also have a long and wrinkly clitoral hood, which I'd like stretched and the excess cut off, so that there's no wrinkles (I don't want my clitoris exposed though. I don't want my sensitive clitoris being abraded by my clothing. That would be painful. I want the protection of a hood, but I don't want a wrinkly hood. My gynecologist said that he has performed about four of these surgeries in the past. He said that he's had many more women consult with him though, saying that they "don't look normal". He said that he doesn't operate on these women, because the satisfaction rate of the surgery is about that of breast enlargement. The satisfaction rate of breast reduction is much larger (he said like 99%), and so he does surgery for women who have functional problems with their labia. I wonder: if he cut part of my left labia and my clitoral hood, would the insurance people suddenly withdraw and say that I have to pay thousands of dollars to them? Would I have to pay $20 or so for those few extra slices of the scalpel? I also have a mole on my waist that bleeds and itches. Would he cut it off? Would I need to pay him $100 for that extra after the surgery is over? I have the surgery the morning of Tuesday Sept 7th. I'll try to tell you guys about it. Wish me luck!
Posted by: Megan on September 6, 2004 08:24 PMdo guys really not mind them? cause i'm 15 (i know) but. its like. i've always had it. and i am so scared to tell my parents (i'm not close with them at all) i thought that it was a disease. but. its not. but, all the same. i think it looks really ugly. and i'm so afraid that guys will think its gross or something. i guess its all coming to haunt me, cause my boyfriend just asked me about how far could i see myself going in this relationship. i mean. i know its illegal for me to have sex right now. but. i mean. sex isnt out of the question. and i have been going out with him for a while. we just have never done anything that would expose myself to him. theres really nothing i can do without telling my parents about it. but. i just kinda want to know if its really that bad.
Posted by: on September 7, 2004 01:01 PMSorry for not posting anything tommorrow, but I was bleeding so much, I didn't want to get it all over my chair, and be walking all over the house. Yesterday (the day I got my surgery), I had to lay in bed all day. And it wasn't that I was forcing myself to lay in bed, either! There was a ton of bleeding (like leaking through a towel and bedsheet and into the mattress type bleeding), but today the bleeding seems to have stopped. I'm still very swollen though. However, I do think that the labia I got cut is thicker than most, so for you who have a thinner labia, you probably wouldn't bleed as much as me. It was blue, too! Not purple blue, but sky blue. I asked how long the surgery took, and the nurse said about 16 minutes. I had to insert a pain killer into my anus before the surgery! The nurse gave me rubber gloves and lube. Luckily she wasn't in the same room as me. I wore latex gloves. I was asked a lot of questions before the surgery, like if I'm allergic to kiwi, papaya, chestnuts, potato, and some other things. I had to get changed into these blue coloured hospital gown and robe and green socks. I didn't wear a bra because I thought that it would be like my widom teeth surgery. I didn't take off any clothes for my wisdom teeth surgery, and they told me to just wear loose clothes, so I didn't wear a bra for that, but here it wouldn't have mattered, because it all went into a plastic bag (including my shoes, watch, and glasses!) They gave me two pills to take, both to reduce stomach acid. I was instructed not to eat or drink anything after midnight the night before surgery, and to braid my hair (though I was later told I could just have it in a ponytail). The pain wasn't as bad as I thought, but it was still painful (maybe because they gave me an anesthetic which they told me would last 12 hours). I was also given a prescription for Tylenol-3's, but no dexamethasone (which I took for my wisdom teeth) and no antibiotics (which I also took for my widsom teeth). I was instructed not to wash the day of my surgery, but that today I can have a shower with soap (but that I shouldn't soak). I do wish I had a different surgeon though, because mine was quite rude. He's a male gynecologist. I'm not going to say his name or what city he works in or the name of the hospital, because I don't want to get sued for libel or anything like that, but I do think he was kind of mean to me. I mean, I asked him if he could draw on me with blue ink where he was going to cut, and he was all annoyed at having to show me, and then when I said that I'd prefer to have an extra thing cut that he didn't show with the ink, he got all mad and said things like "I don't care what you read on the internet" and "your left labia doesn't need cutting" and "I think you should get another surgeon", "you'll never be satisfied" "listen, I've seen a lot of labia", "nobody cares what your labia looks like" "if you want to spend all your time staring in a mirror at your labia" "it's like breast enhancement surgery", "I don't feel comfortable cutting so close to the clitoris", etc. I had to beg him not to abandon me! Crazy. I mean, comfort is my #1 priority, so obviously I want to get some of it cut off, even if it's not as much as I want. Any improvement helps. But if I am going to be under general anesthetic, I would like him to cut off as much as possible, because I'm going to be asleep the entire time. I mean, if I was walking along the street, and all of a sudden a riot broke out, and someone threw a brick at my face which smashed my nose, I would tell the doctor that instead of trying to reapproximate my nose as best as possible, try to get rid of the hump that my nose naturally has, and make it a big thinner (more Barbie like). I mean, if he's going to err, err on the side of making my nose smaller, not bigger! I don't think that's unreasonable. Arghh. My left labia also protrudes a tiny bit, and I've heard labia get bigger with age, so I'm just trying to prevent having a huge left labia rubbing against my underpants at the age of 65. Oh, and I didn't get that mole removed, even though I requested it. I can't really tell what the end product of my labia will look like, because there's so much swelling, but I do know that it will at least not hang down as much as it did before. I can at least see that much in the mirror, post-surgery. Well I hope this is of help to people who are considering this surgery. And please don't try doing it yourself. I've read a true story abot someone on the internet who cut off one of their labia at home, and blood started squirting out like a faucet, and it wouldn't stop, and she called 911, and had a heck of a time getting the ambulance to come because they just didn't believe anyone would ever cut off their own labia. In the ambulance they kept on poking for veins, but couldn't get any because almost all her veins collapsed due to blood loss. She said that she didn't call 911 right away because she thought she could get the bleeding under control with just a towel, and she was amazed at how so much blood serviced such a tiny flap of skin.
Posted by: Megan on September 8, 2004 02:23 PMWow, Megan, your surgeon sounded like a real jerk. Maybe you should file a complaint against him?
As for blood flow, I had no idea it would be that severe! In my more desperate moments, I thought about cutting them off myself and stitching them up (on a lot of pain-killers). Would probably kill me.
Posted by: Lena on September 9, 2004 04:42 PMI live in BC as well. How do you apply to have Medical cover it? I haven't been paying into MSP though... :-s Could I just call the office I consulted with and ask them if I can?
Posted by: on September 9, 2004 10:24 PMHello Megan,
Even though I don't have your "problem," I have a similar one, in the same area, so I fully understand your feelings and concerns.
I was formerly an RN and I had to deal with a lot of patients and doctors. The sad part about doctors -in general- and surgeons -in particular- is that they consider themselves Gods, with superpowers, while looking at "uneducated" patients with disdain. Yes, they are rude and arrogant. Their attitude plus chronic tiredness make them do mistakes, too. What's worse, if something is going wrong during a surgery, they always blame the patient: "She was too fat, I couldn't reach the ..." (This is just an example)
Megan, I know you trusted your surgeon and his skills, but from my point of view his behaviour towards you was abusive. I feel that even if you were asking him to draw the ink line because you saw this in a professional book (i.e., medical magazine) and not on "unprofessional" web sites, he still would treat you with arrogance. He had no right to do that!
However, if you are glad with the results, this is what matters. Take in consideration that the “real” size of your labia may be seen only after all the swollenness is gone --in about 6 weeks.
Good luck with you recovery!
Alina
PS Yes, both male and female genital areas are very rich in blood vessels.
Posted by: Alina on September 15, 2004 12:23 PMI am interested in having the labiaplasty but i am too embarrassed of having to have that discussion with my mother whom is my best friend. I am young; 18 but have been embarrassed about my labia since 10 or 11. This would be paid for out of my money so I wanted to know how much it would cost, where to go, could insurance pay some? just the basic information would help me alot.
Posted by: Jordan on September 21, 2004 08:58 PMTo the fellow BCer who is hoping Medical will cover the cost of labiaplasty: I have no idea. I'm really uneducated about insurance plans and how universal health care works and all that. I just know how I got mine. What I did was I phoned my family doctor to make an appointment. Unfortunately the earliest appointment I could get was September 3rd, so I made the appointment anyway and then went to a walk-in clinic (remember to bring your Care Card!). I told the doctor that I thought I might have a tumor or pcos or some sort of hormonal abnormality, because I've read on the internet about how if one labia is much larger than the other, it could be a tumor. My labia also were not always that large, so I thought that maybe it could be pcos. I also have lots of pubic hair on my inner thighs, so I though maybe I did have some hormonal thing. Anyhoo, the walk-in doctor said that they do prefer that the family doctor do the referring to specialists (in my case, a gynecologist), but that he was willing to do it since I would've had to wait such a long time to see mine (I guess mine was on summer vacation or something). I told him that I wanted to be referred to a doctor that did it cheaply, because I was just a student, and couldn't come up with the thousands of dollars that I've heard other doctors charge. To my surprise, he told me that I might not have to pay, because the rules are that only aesthetic things are not covered. He used the example of a non-cancerous mole that itches and bleeds and is annoying. I had to take my pants and underwear off though, because he said that he didn't want to be chastised by the gynecologists if he referred me to him, and I looked normal. So the walk-in doc examined my privates, and said that it was true that the right labia was quite a bit bigger than the left, and agreed to give me a referral. He said he'd leave it up to the gynecologist to decide whether or not the surgery would be covered by Medical. So a few days later, I get a phone call from one of the receptionists and the walk-in clinic, telling me when and where my appointment with the gynecologist is (August 30th). I cancelled my Sept 3rd appointment with my family doctor. So on Aug 30 I went to see the gynecologist, and after he examined my privates he said that he was pretty sure it wouldn't cost me any money, and then he got his receptionist to give him some thick blue book, just to make sure, and he looked something up and then said "Yes, it is covered". I was so relieved! He never asked me what insurance plan my parents had, or whether or not I was included in my parents plan. Though, I did get a phone call a few days before my surgery, from a woman who seemed to know everything about me! She knew where my dad worked, what my name was, etc. She kept on asking me a ton of questions, like my age, where my dad worked, whether or not I was a student, whether or not I was covered under my dad's plan, what my dad's phone number was at work, whether or not I had a Care Card...So I have no idea whether or not the system still covers you if you are not paying the $56 per month or whatever it is for health care.
Posted by: Megan on September 22, 2004 12:12 PMI've already had a consultation with a doctor who quoted me a hefty fee. Would I have to be referrbed back to him (I saw pictures of his work and the results are really good) by my family doctor (I don't have one, I'd have to get one) to try to appeal for coverage? I know I have coverage for extended medical through my dad's work. I'd really rather my dad not find out I'm having this done, though. I'd hate them to call him for a plan number or something, and then have him call me up all nosy about what I'm trying to do. I think I may well have PCOS too, or somthing. I also have hair on my inner thighs, and have started it on my stomach. I can feel the peach fuzz on my chest thickening, but it's not darkening. My skin is ornery, I've been putting on weight, so I've been meaning to have my blood tested for endocrinological disorders. Perhaps I should add this to my current 'freak of nature' checklist and go find a family doctor. I have the money to pay for the surgery (thanks to a student loan.. ;-) ...) but I'd also prefer to be able to afford to eat this semester.
Posted by: on September 25, 2004 01:29 AMI just wanted to say thank you to the author for writing this article and to everyone who commented on it. I too have very large lips. I have always been embarassed about them and today was looking up labiaplasty on the internet, that is how I came across this post. I guess I can say that I am lucky - although my lips hang about a inch lower than the other ones I do not have the discomfort and I am able to wear tight clothes, exercises, etc. Because it seems that so many other women have this problem I no longer feel so abnormal. Yes, I am still embarassed about my lips, but I think that I can over come this just knowing that there are so many other people out there with the same problem as me. Also, looking at the Dr's websites before and after pictures I don't think that the after pictures look all that attractive, actually some of them look more deformed than then before pictures - the only difference is the amount of skin in the before and after pictures. I would rather keep my lips looking the way they are than have them cut and looking even more abnormal. Just think about that before getting the surgery.
Posted by: Stacey on October 3, 2004 03:14 PMHi. I have a consultation with my gyn today afternoon about labia minora reduction. All week ive been acting wierd, thinking tons about my appoitment, scared half to death about spreading my legs for a male doctor((ive never done this for anyone b4 cuz of my large labia)) and worst of all is getting his reaction and having to sit and lay there while he looks and talks to me about wuts wrong with me. My fear is that he will reject me bcuz it may be to complex for him. Hes only done this surgery once and im not sure how bad her labia minora was..all i kno is mine sticks out 2 cm past my labia minora and i havent seen a regular womans labia minora worse then mine((im not counting the ppl who strech their labia minoras for religion/beliefs/fun)). Ive had this problem since i was young, never really cared to much about it altho i was aware i was different. With age its stretched drematiclly and ive been losing more and more sensation with time, it hurts on the rare moment but my labia minora is not sensitive to touch nemore! Im really scared that my gyn has never seen someone as bad as me and just being infront of him will be really difficult((i may cancel my appoitment due to the dramatic fears ive been having showing sum1)). Hes only preformed this surgery "once" the receptionist belives...omg...meaning is he dosent face many patients lyk me usually and proably has never seen a woman this bad. He obviously cant tell me that im a freak but me knoing that he knos wut no one else knos in this world is very very very scary. I am praying that he will preform the surgery on me and not say that he cant take me cuz im to difficult of a patient as he dosent do this usually and he may have not even ever done it!! Which would really make me mad cuz i got all my courage to go and let him kno my problem and then he couldnt help me i think thats my worst fear.......I dont want to wait till January to see a gyn and then another 2 months to get a surgery date. Thats just way to long ive lived with this my whole life i cant stand waiting any long. I have a b/f whom ive been iwth for a long time and hes never seen me naked, never touched me down there and he dosent understand why i wont let him go down on me and i can never answer him i jus get mad at him cuz i dont want him to kno my freak problem. I really want to be physical with him, but i cant, he dosent understand that i want to be physical to. Im still a virgin and i always get the questions dont you want to do it, do it, it feels so good, are you fridgid. Its so hard..i feel lyk shit cuz they dont understand wuts its lyk to be in my shoes and this old and not being able to be physical with the one i love. I kno i have to do this and i hope i dont chicken out, that just makes it worse for me, it wont get ne better waiting.
For the ones whove had labia minora reduction..you said youve worn the undergarmet for 6 weeks for bleeding and such?! Do all of you do this or was it only the odd person who is recomended this?
plse w/b if you have ne coments or if you are experienceing the same thing and how your doctor reacted to seeing you(if your labia minora greatly stuck out))?!
:) tnx
Hi everyone..i saw my gyno and i was sooo scared but it wasnt that bad he was so nice and friendly and treated me lyk i was normal and told me not to let any man tell me im wierd down there cuz my gyno said im not and hes seen more vaginas then he has LOL he was sooo funny...good to have when your scared half to death about this embarresing issue((mine stuck out 2 cm from my majora :O )!! Alright so all of you who are looking at plastic surgeons DONT GO TO THEM!! They are way to expensive, do you really wanna work that hard to pay that much money off?! Go see your gyn he or she will do jus as great of a job!! Well i get mine for free cuz its medically necessary!! Altho my gyno said he will not and does not operate on many ppl unless he thinks its medically necessary otherwise ppl began to have problems that they wouldnt of had normally(nerve damage/loss of sensation and so on)!! I hope this is sum good advice to anyone who is still curious about this!!
Posted by: Kaitlyn on October 14, 2004 02:12 AMIt is good advice, Kaitlyn. I have an appointment with my doctor next Friday and hopefully she'll be able to refer me to a good gynecologist
Posted by: Lena on October 15, 2004 09:01 PMI have read all your emails at length and would like to share some information with you which may help.
1. Labioplasty is best performed by a gynaecologist. They are familiar with this part of the body and are more in tune with a woman's genitalia than a plastic surgeon. Plastic surgeons rarely work on this part of the body.
2.It is expensive, because a carbon dioxide laser is uses to remove the excessive labia without damaging much of the surrounding tissue and to help prevent blood loss.
3. It is expensive because a full general anesthetic is required and this is given by a specialist anesthesiologist in a safe and proper operating room environment.
4. Labioplasty is not normally covered under any health plan. (I do think it should). So you have to pay out of pocket.
5. Anyone seriously considering this procedure should make sure that this is performed in a sterile fully certified surgical clinic or hospital.
6. I believe Dr Roy Jackson, (who has no twin brother, however Dr Gary Jackson is also a local gynaecologist not doing this procedure) is the only gynaecologist trained to do labioplasty using a laser.
7. Dr Roy Jacksons results are spectacular. Very happy patient feedback,
Sincerely,
False Creek Surgical Centre.
If you're labia is grossly asymmetrical, then it is covered under the BC Health Plan. Either that, or my surgeon misinterpreted what he read in his manual of prices.
Posted by: Megan on October 22, 2004 01:11 AMhow old do u av to be to av the labia reduction? Can u have it when yur 16 yrs old?
Posted by: cas on October 23, 2004 10:08 AMHi to everyone. Just wanted to tell you all about our experience with labiaplasty. My bride of 41 years had a labiaplasty 6 weeks ago. We are in our mid 60's, so you can see that even "the older generation" is concerned with the quality of our sexual relationship. It was done by her gynecologist at our request during a vagnal surgery to correct a rectocele. Her labia had been large as long as she can remember. She had felt self consious about this for all of her life after being able to "compare" in the locker room. After having 3 children (the smallest was 8lb 8oz and the largest was 10lb 7oz!)her labia minora had enlarged from about 1" to over 3". The size of her labia did not bother me, but she had pain whenever we had sex. When this last surgery was needed we asked her gynecologist if he could perform a labiaplasty during the other procedure. He said that it would be no problem and that a lot of the women who are having a gynecological surgery request this. We just got the 6 wk checkup
today with a green light to resume sex. Her labia are now very short (the longest area is about 1/4")and they are equally shaped and look natural with no visible scarring (I guess he made them that short so we wouldn't "wear them out" again). She has one area where she is a little tender and the only area with any numbness is at the back of the vagina where the rectocele was repaired. These have nothing to do with the labiaplasty but are a result of the rectocele repair. As far as the results labiaplasty, we are both VERY pleased. Her sensation in the labial area is the same in some places and greatly increased in the rest of the labia. She has no more pulling of the labia which had not only caused some pain, but also tended to cover and block sensation in parts of the vagina and the clitoris. She now has FULL SENSATION back in some areas and MORE SENSATION in the rest!
We did not go to a plastic surgeon. In fact her gynecologist is a good friend of ours from church and this was her first visits to him as a doctor. He is in his mid 50's and realizes how things like this can affect a couple. He also has a lot of experience in his field and we are very comfortable with him.
I sure hope that this helps someone out there with our story and that I loved her just as much whether her labia were shrt or long. That is the important part. Love is what it' all about!!!
George
Posted by: George on October 25, 2004 10:41 PMI'm turning fifteen soon and only a month or so ago did I find out that I'm not a mutilated weirdo because of my large labia minora. Ever since hitting puberty in the fifth grade, I've had severe self-esteem issues based solely on my "ugly part." I've always been smart enough to see past the airbrushed so-called 'beauty' of the media, too-thin models that look like week-old cadavers and gigantic breasts bursting with silicone never bothered me. But the few times in my life I came across pornography, I honestly felt compelled to start crying right then. And I have cried over it, numerous times. Five years of my life I've felt incurably, inexplicably disfigured. I was with a guy I truly cared about for a year. He wanted to be more intimate than I did, I declined any sexual activity not because I didn't want it-----I didn't want him to see me down there. I have experienced a million kinds of repression on account of my vagina. Later, he broke up with me (not because I wouldn't have go further with him, other reasons) and I found myself wishing I had been able to say yes, because then we would always been special to each other, because we would had been closer, probably lasted longer, and if we had stayed together maybe eventually lost our virginity to each other. Now reading this, I feel a painful twinge of regret seeing as how you say some guys PREFER larger labia minoras. Is this really so? It's hard to take full confidence in what you say when there are sites that claim this: [quasi-official looking gateway to porn URL deleted -S.]
Also, if girls are so clueless about what a 'normal vagina' is, how can we expect a guy to be understanding? As illustrated here, a lot of girls who actually HAVE vaginas were under the impression that they were hideous and deformed. How can we really expect guys to feel any differently? I saw for myself in pornography that small clits were represented, none like myself. That is one of the things that bothered me. If guys are only exposed to pornography such as that, won't they be a little thrown when they encounter a pussy that does not live up to their ideal? I emphasize this because my significant other had been a virgin as well as I, and had only been exposed to these "fake, airbrushed pussies." Can you honestly say that our paranoias and complexes are uneccessary? Especially when websites such as the one I linked above spit out statistics that severely contradict those stated here?
Posted by: Manda on October 27, 2004 06:20 PMFor the exercise of it, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you are fourteen, even though the last fourteen year-old who used complete sentences and proper capitalization and punctuation died in 1981.
If you look at your link, a) that's not what professional companies look like. That's what porn gateways look like. And believe you me, I know what porn gateways look like. b) real companies don't post 18 U.S.C. 2257 statements or compliance with records. The briefest of whois research and google hooks you up with the many porn associations of the site's authors.
So there you go. Consider the source and don't let it make you feel bad. It's just more porn trying to tell you you're not sexy if you don't have a smooth vagina and flat tummy.
I can't tell you how to feel about your body. The dozens of women above provide much better insight than I can into how common it is to worry, and how often it's a real comfort/medical issue rather than just an image issue.
But please, don't let what guys might think worry you. With the magic of the internet and porn more accessible than pop-tarts, every guy you ever meet is going to have seen -thousands- of vaginas of all types on a nice bell curve. We know what's being sold to us as the perfect image, but we've also seen kajillions of examples of the wonderful variety that femalekind has to offer.
And the truest thing of all is that any guy who is lucky enough to get access to your vagina is going to be so flipped with joy, he's not making comparative judgements between what he sees on the cold flat CRT with the lights turned off and the monitor angled away from the door and you. The reality of you will overpower and outclass anything else.
For god's sake, don't have sex before you're 18.
But that's just me. I know I don't live in reality. Take care. Be happy.
Posted by: ScottMcJ on October 28, 2004 07:30 AMOH MY GOSH! SCOTT ACTUALLY STILL READS THIS THREAD!
I just thought I'd post and offer some condolances to Manda. I was probably about 11 or 12 when I realized I wasn't normal. But I think I've got it worse than most girls who post here, with an excess of 3 inches. The only guy who I had ever had the chance to be with, I wouldn't sleep with because I, like you, couldn't bear the humiliation of what magnitude of monstrosity a guy would consider that to be, if I thought it was as repulsive as I do. He lost interest after while and left me because I wouldn't sleep with him, leaving me to ponder about the depth of the male mind... It caused me to become extremely self conscious as a teenager, and see myself as a true freak in my own eyes. And I haven't had it fixed yet, but I'm waiting until I can save the money for the surgery.
Posted by: on October 29, 2004 12:18 AMIm 19 yrs old and have wanted the surgery for years. I live in Ottawa, Ontario, and was wondering if it can be covered by OHIP anywhere in Canada if it is more than just for appearance. Also, I have really large (not flat) outer lips as well...im the only one ive heard of with both:(
Posted by: Lauren on November 4, 2004 04:08 PMThis site is a real revelation to me. I never heard before today that this is a problem. For me, the opposite has been true.
I'm a man who loves giving oral sex, and am a fanatic lover of large labia. I'll take a homely woman with large labia over a beauty queen with a circumcised labia any night of the week. I'm sorry to hear that large labia are painful and embarrassing for some of the women that have them, but for me they are total nervana and it pains me to hear that the latest trend being pushed by the knife-happy cosmetic surgery crowd is to give the women that have them an inferiority complex so that they can go down there and zip them off, in the name of grooming, like they're giving someone a haircut. Isn't there another camp that refers to this as a form of "female genital mutilation", and isn't there a campaign to stop this in African and M.E. countries? Surgery should be an option of last resort, and only if there is a genuine medical problem.
Anyway, for those of you wonderful ladies that have large labias, I adore you and plead with you not to go under the knife because some some jar-head boyfriend made a wisecrack (no doubt his "tool" is nothing to write home about either). Get a guy who appreciates that what you have down there is unique and beautiful and will cherish you for it. There are lots of us out there, believe me!
Posted by: Joel on November 8, 2004 06:11 AMHi everyone.
I have been very interested in Labiaplasty for quite some time, however, I do not have a family doctor where I live, as I am away at school. I do have a family doctor at "home", which is hours from where I currently live at school. Does anyone know if you can go to a walk-in clinic for a gynocologist? Would someone at a walk-in clinic be able to give me a referral to a gynocologist who could perform Labiaplasty for me? Does anyone know of any docs in Ontario that perform this cheaply? Thanks in advance.
Jenny, above, had hers done in Kitchener for less than a thousand. Email her and perhaps ask her.
Posted by: Nancy on January 12, 2005 12:52 AMHas anyone had labiaplasty done at Dr Matlocks surgery "Laser Vaginal Rejuvenation Centre" in LA? I live in the UK and i'm thinking of going there (once i save enough money)!!!
Posted by: Melanie on January 26, 2005 06:24 AMTo all the ladies on this board,
I just thought I'd add my 5 cents worth to the thread. I'm 37 and have seen quite a few vulvas over the past 19 years and have come across women with large labia, small labia, large and small clitoris', hairy vulvas to the completely bald and at the end of the day I remember the lady who posesses the organ, not the lips/clit/big hooters/big nose!
My first two girlfriends both had large protruding labia minora, and I thought my third girlfriend with the "airbrushed' look was the different looking one! You'll note I used the word different, because it really doesn't matter to a guy what you look like, he's more interested in you as a sex/love partner the few that may make disparaging comments are immature.
For what it's worth I prefer my women to have large labia/clits - it makes the oral sex so damn good (and I don't think I've met a lady who hasn't enjoyed oral sex), but for what its worth I married a lady with entirely unremarkable genitals (she looks just like the 'textbook' pictures) because she was the one I fell head over heels for.
At the end of the day if your labia are causing you significant health problems, get the problem attended to (I would definately get something done if I continually tripped over a dragging scrotum! LOL) if not don't stress. Many men love longer labia, and in my short experience of ladies maybe 40% had labia that stuck out - so you are not the only woman with this problem. Most men are just so happy to be enjoying making love to a lady that all other considerations are moot.
In short you are not deformed if you have large labia. Many women also have them (hey, breasts range from AAA cup to FF's why shouldn't labia). Many men get a real thrill from finding a well endowed lady, and of the ones that don't they really couldn't care less. If your vulva is causing you extreme physical discomfort, then get it fixed. I hope this has put a few minds at rest. Feel free to contact me if you like.
Cheers,
Marc
Posted by: Marc on January 26, 2005 10:18 AMI am a 32 year old woman with 2 children, who complains of the same "problem" as the rest of the women here. I would have to urge any men who share the opinions of the 3 above (who think things are fine just the way they are) to please post their thoughts. Discomfort is definitely an issue......but let's face it ladies. All of us secretly obssess over what men think when they see us naked, even though we may know we're being irrational. I've read what I needed to read, and I think many women would benefit from hearing more male opinions like that.
Posted by: on January 27, 2005 06:33 PMI just had the surgery done. I am 30. I have wanted to get it done for a long time and must admit that in my most desperate moments, I also thought about doing it myself. The pain is incredible and the swelling is huge. I am hoping that it will look better in a week.
I actually got mine covered by my health insurance. At first, the referral came back and my health insurance refused to cover it, but if you are prepared to fight it, like me, then you will get it for free. Go to your regular doctor and tell him/her that you want a referral to an ob/gyn. Explain to your doc and the ob/gyn that you are suffering from chafing (even if you aren't), if you've been pregnant like me tell them that your labia were constantly swollen during pregnancy, tell them that you cannot have comfortable sex etc etc. If it gets refused, go back to your doctor and tell him/her to contact your insurance company. My doctor really put the pressure on and got it for me based on what I told him. Don't be embarrassed--you will only see these medical professions for a short while in your life and needn't see them again if you don't want to afterwards. I believe it is worth it even though I haven't seen the end result and I am still in pain. At least that hanging flesh has gone when I look in the mirror.
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